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| Border_Reivers | 652 | Armstrong, Elliott and other Border Reiver surnames Y-DNA St... |
| British Isles 1 | 1042 | PART 1 of the British Isles DNA project, a project that will... |
| British Isles 2 | 1879 | Part 2 of the British Isles project, which is designed to he... |
| Clan Fraser | 330 | CLAN FRASER - One of the oldest and largest of all Highland ... |
| CumberlandGap-mtDNA | 493 | This project is for mitochondrial DNA only. You inherit you... |
| CumberlandGap-YDNA | 1123 | This project is for Y-line (paternal) DNA only. A companion... |
| Ireland Heritage Y-DNA | 3167 | The Ireland Heritage Y-DNA Project FTDNA link |
| Irish Heritage DNA Project | 4386 | Home page link R1b1b series (was R1b1c before nomenclature changed by FTDNA) |
| Posted 6/9/2009 Last summer we offered a pricing special that was the most successful offering of its kind in our company’s history. Many project administrators strongly supported our recruitment efforts and both their projects and our database grew significantly. This year we will offer an early summer special with an unparalleled promotional discount. Offer summary: " Y-DNA37+mtDNA for $119. (The regular project price is $248 " a reduction of more than 50%!!) " The promotion will begin on June 9, 2009 and will end on June 24, 2009 " Kits ordered in this sale must be paid for by June 30, 2009 This is your new members’ opportunity to skip past the Y-DNA12 and Y-DNA25 tests and get the best Y-DNA Genealogical test on the market in addition to an mtDNA test for an extremely reduced price! I should also mention that according to one of our competitors’ method of counting markers our 37-marker test could also be called a "41-marker test" as we do test and report markers 464e, 464f, 464g, and DYS19b. Though we test them, it is very rare that individuals have results for these markers. Therefore, by our conservative counting method, our competitor's "33-marker test" is actually a "29-marker test." We mention this to make sure that you understand the difference between these tests and are able to compare "apples to apples." Home Return Top |
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é Commentary: A theory I once posed was that I might be a mixture of Angle, Dane, Irish/Celt, Jute, Norwegian, Saxon, or Swede, but as of may, 2005, I learned I do not carry the "I" marker of the Norse peoples. According to my DNA test there are no Scandinavian markers. I have compared my markers to two other Ogle's whose data was made available to me. There is a possible common ancestor, however, he may go back before 1000 AD, that of course is before full names were given to all but royalty. The origin of my ancestors and the Ogle family (Oghgul race) remains pure speculation. The markers I carry include the Atlantic Modal Group. Most English, Irish and Scott have these markers. However, the DNA test have been unable to specify a specific place from where my progenitors came. So I am left to ponder will it be Angle, Celt, Irish, Jute, Saxon or Scot. Since the Ogles I have found so far in Ireland are from the northern area the English settled, I though I could now also eliminate Irish/Celt. Except when in Aug, 2005, I perused the "Roots Web Border Reivers" web I found that many of my markers do match with markers of people that claim a Celtic origin, although so far, all matches have been so far distant, it would be impossible to ID a relative. My mtDNA is in the Haplogroup J2 and is based in the area of Eastern Europe that is West of the Ural Mountains. In Aug 2005 I found on the Borders Reivers DNA Project web site that J2 is not uncommon in England. Referring to chapters 31 - 38 of Nennius's "Historia Brittonum" I hypothesize Oghgul and Ogle to be the same people. 1) The name was established before dictionaries, so spelling was in the writers ear. The Germanic phonetic pronunciation of Oghgul and the later English pronunciation of Ogle (long O - gle as in tingle) are the same. 2) The Family owned large tracts of land in Northumberland prior to 1066 (the Norman Invasion). Some historians state the Jutes established the first settlements in South East Britannia in the year 447 AD. The book "Ogle and Bothal 1902", writing of Northumberland states, "Grey, in 1649, writing in his' Chronographia,' says, 'The nobility and gentry of the north are of great antiquity, and can produce more ancient families than any other part of England; many of them gentry before the Conquest, the rest came in with the Conqueror". The following is an extract from the web page http://neft.dk/flexheim.htm. - (*) Linguistically seen, English is much more closely related to Juttish (85%) than Danish (only 60%), since many of the Vikings who, around year 1000, brought the dönsk tunga into England stemmed from Angel, which is South and Southern Jutland (now Denmark). Reminiscences thereof can be seen in English grammar even today. For instance, Juttish as well as English uses only one grammatical gender (sexus communis), whereas Danish (in the same way as Dutch) has two genders (namely sexus communis and neuter) - and Old Norse, German and Icelandic have three (masculinum, femininum, and neuter) like Latin and Greek. -end- There is little that distinguishes a people better than their language. Although today English is vastly different that that spoken a thousand years ago, it seems the Juttish root is still there. This then begs the question, why was England named after the Angles. Since the English language has Jutish roots can we speculate that the Jutes and Angles are the same people, besides the language thread they did come from the same islands or peninsula. Perhaps sometime in history they became separated by clan name only. It is unfortunate but it seems DNA may not be able to ferret out this information, with genes being so well mixed in 1560 years. Home Return Top |
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Genealogy research methods. Edward G Ogle Sr., The administrator of the "Oghgul DNA Project" and Jim Gilbert the administrator of the "Ogle Project" have agreed to collaborate Projects. The two projects were partially duplicating each other. ** The Oghgul DNA Project is more concerned with our world wide ancient ancestry. ** While the Ogle Project is more concerned with USA genealogy back to our last generation in England. Both projects can be found using the search word "Ogle" at http://www.familytreedna.com/contact.html This page http://www.familytreedna.com/name_search.aspx allows you to review the Ogle Project, the Oghgul DNA Project and also a few other sites listing Ogles. Since the family name Ogle was taken before dictionaries; I believe "Oghgul" is synonymous with "Ogle". I believe the families of the Clan consist of a number of closely linked blood lines. It is the objective of the Oghgul DNA Project to identify those people who have ancestry from the original Clan period. Even if it is impossible to prove kin, I would be more that happy to find DNA matches that dates back 62 generations to 447 AD. The Quest for Oghgul (Ogle family) is to determine the origin of my ancestors and therefore the Ogle (Oghgul) family. To discover if the ancient and honorable family of Ogle of Northumberland derived from the Oghgul race (Clan or Tribe) written of by Nennius: "Hengist consulted the elders of Oghgul" before meeting with King Vortigern in Britain about 447 AD. There is still an Ogle village in Northumberland. The Ogle name is thought to have been taken from a place name. I believe them to be Germanic, but were they mainland European and Saxon or Northern European and Jute, Anglo, or Viking (Norwegian, Dane, Swede)? *note* Since this original entry; my DNA test as of July 19, 2005 has determined that I carry no "Viking" DNA markers. For almost 30 years the Ogle/Ogles Family Association of America has tried to prove the American Ogle family ancestral link to England. John Ogle, a solder in the British Army is the progenitor of many, if not all Ogles in America. The association has yet to find documented proof of which Ogle family in England John is descended from. This is where DNA research is expected to help identify the family from which John Ogle of Delaware descended. Family Tree Maker, a genealogy company, has started a "genealogy by DNA project" and provides the opportunity to settle this question once and for all. Of course this project requires the cooperation of a number of Ogle Family members both here and in England whom I hope to attract to join a concerted effort of DNA research to finally close this question.. If interested write to me at: Edward G Ogle Sr., 2706 Hollyridge Dr., Orange park, FL 32073-6515, Attn: Oghgul DNA project or - This project is not endorsed by the Ogle/Ogles Family Association. Home Return Top |
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the general routine I went thru when I first started my DNA project. May 19, 2006: FTDNA has been able to expand again, this time from 59 markers to 67 markers. This took place while they were waiting to test me for 59 markers. Since I was one of the first to purchase the 59 marker test FTDNA has upgraded me to 67 markers at no extra charge. They will be upgrading their web to the new info within the next two weeks. April 2006: I purchased the 59 marker upgrade. May 22, 2005: I purchased and have completed my test by the DNAPlus package. This is the most comprehensive test they have at this time, it includes the mt and Y test. If you wish to join in the Oghgul DNA Project, click on "Join the Project Here" near the top of this page, then near the bottom of that page in the "Type of Test" block are the current discounted prices for all test. The "Y-DNA12" test is interesting but the "25" and "37" test are more useful. To include your mothers Haplogroup include the mtDNA test that is combined in the DNAPlus package. I will keep these pages posted as new data comes in. They are working on an even more comprehensive test but I think they have priced it way to high for a poor man like me to purchase. May 23, 2005: Hi Folks: Well all my test are completed. One thing has been proven, there are no markers to indicate American Indian blood in my line. This leaves me wondering who Betsy "Waninto" really was – I had accepted that spelling as factual, now I have to do some serious digging of my own. On Mothers side I am Haplogroup J2: The original Haplogroup J originated in the Near East approximately 50,000 years ago. The Haplogroup J2 is particularly interesting because it has been detected in Turkey, Italy, Sardinia, Iberia, and Iceland. – one web site shows this assigned to European Farmers (the main J track is in far Eastern Europe) On Dads side I am Haplogroup R1b1b2 – Atlantic Modal Type – strictly western European.
My paternal matches so far are many generations back, and show 23
cousins in England and 23 cousins in Ireland. With even more distant
cousins from Siberia meandering back thru Europe to the USA. |
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