Introduction To DNA Usage In Genealogy

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Border_Reivers 1025 Border Reiver surnames: Archbold, Armstrong, Beattie, Bell, Burn, Burns, Carothers, Carr, Carrothers, Carruthers, Crawford, Davison, Dixon, Dodds, Dodson, Douglas, Dudgeon, Dunne, Elder, Eliot, Elliot, Elliott, Ellwood, Elwald, Fenwick, Forrester, Forster, Gilchrist, Graham, Gray, Hall, Harron, Henderson, Heron, Herron, Hunter, Irvine, Irving, Irwin, Johnson, Johnston, Kerr, Kilpatrick, Kirkpatrick, Little, Lowther, Murray, Musgrave, Nixon, Ogle, Robeson, Robison, Robson, Rutherford, Salkeld, Scale, Scales, Scoles, Scott, Selby, Simpson, Storey, Tait, Taylor, Umfraville, Wetherington.
Clan Fraser 1665 CLAN FRASER - One of the oldest and largest of all Highland ...
CumberlandGap-mtDNA 2549 This project is for mitochondrial DNA only. You inherit you...
CumberlandGap-YDNA 4369 This project is for Y-line (paternal) DNA only. A companion...
Ireland Heritage Y-DNA 4902 The Ireland Heritage Y-DNA Project FTDNA link
Irish Heritage DNA Project 4386 Home page link R1b1b series (was R1b1c before nomenclature changed by FTDNA)

Posted 6/9/2009

Last summer we offered a pricing special that was the most successful offering of its kind in our company’s history.

Many project administrators strongly supported our recruitment efforts and both their projects and our database grew significantly.
This year we will offer an early summer special with an unparalleled promotional discount.

Offer summary:

This is your new members’ opportunity to skip past the Y-DNA12 and Y-DNA25 tests and get the best Y-DNA Genealogical test on the market in addition to an mtDNA test for an extremely reduced price!

I should also mention that according to one of our competitors’ method of counting markers our 37-marker test could also be called a "41-marker test" as we do
test and report markers 464e, 464f, 464g, and DYS19b.  Though we test them, it is very rare that individuals have results for these markers. Therefore, by
our conservative counting method, our competitor's "33-marker test" is actually a "29-marker test." We mention this to make sure that you understand the difference between these tests and are able to compare "apples to apples."

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é  Basic:

There are four basic groups that can be identified by DNA.

Native American: Populations that migrated from Asia to inhabit North, South and Central America.
 
European: European, Middle Eastern and South Asian populations from the Indian subcontinent, including India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka.
 
East Asian: Japanese, Chinese, Mongolian, Koreans, Southeast Asians and Pacific Islanders, including populations native to the Philippines.
 
African: Populations from Sub-Saharan Africa such as Nigeria and Congo region.

Ancestry By DNA (see genetree.com) can be used to determine the percentage of DNA a person has from each four groups, the test examines 175 Single Nucleotide Polymorphisms (SNPs). These 175 SNPs have been selected based on their bio-geographic polymorphism patterns, and are referred to as Ancestry Informative Markers (AIMs). The alleles found at these marker locations show very high specificity for people from particular populations, ethnicity and/or geographical regions.

The mtDNA Haplogroups:

a) mtDNA macro-lineage L is predominant in Africa, L1, L2, and L3 - Found in Sub-Saharan African lineages.

b) mt-DNA macro-lineages M and N are found throughout Eurasia and Australia.

c) mtDNA lineages H, I , J, K, T, N, U, V, W and X are predominant in West Eurasia.  mtDNA lineages H, I, J, K, T, U, V, W and X - Found in nearly all lineages from Europe, North African and Western Asian Caucasians.

d) mtDNA lineages A, B, C, D, E, F, G, M, P, Q and Z are predominant in Asia and Oceania, and

e) mtDNA lineages A, B, C, D, and X are found in the Americas.

Y-chromosome Haplogroups:

An individual that has a very old DNA lineage can usually be identified to a continental region such as Western Europe. Younger lineages can be identified to more specific regions, such as Southwest North America. Very young Y-chromosome lineages could provide even more detailed, population specific information.

B, E: are found in Sub-Saharan African lineages.
E, G, H, I, J, and R are found in lineages from Europe, Middle East, and Western Asia.
C, D, N, O, Q, and R are found in the Asian populations.
P, Q, and F are found in Native American lineages.

NOTE: Some Haplogroups are present in both Europe and Asia, but can often be sub-divided into European or Asian specific lineages.

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é  Benefits Of Testing With Family Tree DNA
  • Other than the cost of the test, all the following services are provided FOR FREE
  • You will be part of your Surname or Geographic Project
  • You will be included in the largest Y-DNA database in the world
  • You have total control over whether you compare your results only within your project or against the entire database
  • The names and email addresses of your genetic matches are provided so that you may contact them
  • Personal phone and e-mail support by qualified personnel. Both the phones and email messages are answered by a human being and not by an automated response system
  • Family Tree DNA is the only service which has a calculator, created by our population geneticist, that gives you the likelihood of sharing a common ancestor with your genetic match within a certain time frame
  • Family Tree DNA allows you to join, leave, and be part of multiple Projects at the same time, without any additional testing or cost
  • As additional people test, your result will be matched against them and in case of a match you will be notified by e-mail
  • Family Tree DNA allows you continued access to your account, projects, and matches without additional testing, cost or subscription fees
  • Family Tree DNA is the only company that stores your DNA for 25 years allowing you to order additional tests using the original sample
  • Family Tree DNA is the only company to offer the SNP Assurance Program: if no backbone Haplogroup can be estimated with 100% certainty, FTDNA will SNP test your sample for free.  The SNP test is a more in depth test that is used to assure your Haplogroup is identified.
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é  Commentary:

A theory I once posed was that I might be a mixture of Angle, Dane, Irish/Celt, Jute, Norwegian, Saxon, or Swede, but as of may, 2005, according to my DNA test, I learned I do not carry the "I" marker of the Norse peoples.    I have compared my markers to two other Ogle's whose data was made available to me.   There is a possible common ancestor, however, he may go back before 1000 AD, that of course is before full names were given to all but royalty.   The origin of my ancestors and the Ogle family (Oghgul race) remains pure speculation.

The markers I carry include the Atlantic Modal Group.  Most English, Irish and Scott have these markers.  However, the DNA test have been unable to specify a specific place from where these progenitors came.  So I am left to ponder, will it be Angle, Celt, Irish, Jute, Saxon or Scot.

Since the Ogles I have found so far in Ireland are from the northern area the English settled, I though I could now also eliminate Irish/Celt.  Except in Aug, 2005, I perused the "Roots Web Border Reivers" web and found that many of my markers do match with markers of people that claim a Celtic origin,  although so far, all matches have been so far distant, it would be impossible to ID a relative.

My mtDNA is in the Haplogroup J that is based in the area of Eastern Europe West of the Ural Mountains.  In Aug 2005 I found on the Borders Reivers DNA Project web site that J is not uncommon in England.


Referring to chapters 31 - 38 of Nennius's "Historia Brittonum" I hypothesize Oghgul and Ogle to be the same people.

1) The name was established before dictionaries, so spelling was in the writers ear. The Germanic phonetic pronunciation of Oghgul and the later English pronunciation of Ogle (long O - gle as in tingle) are the same.

2) The Family owned large tracts of land in Northumberland prior to 1066 (the Norman Invasion). Some historians state the Jutes established the first settlements in South East Britannia in the year 447 AD.   The book "Ogle and Bothal 1902", writing of Northumberland states, "Grey, in 1649, writing in his' Chronographia,' says, 'The nobility and gentry of the north are of great antiquity, and can produce more ancient families than any other part of England; many of them gentry before the Conquest, the rest came in with the Conqueror". 

The following is an extract from the web page http://neft.dk/flexheim.htm.
- (*) Linguistically seen, English is much more closely related to Juttish (85%) than Danish (only 60%), since many of the Vikings who, around year 1000, brought the dönsk tunga  into England stemmed from Angel,  which is South and Southern Jutland (now Denmark).   Reminiscences thereof can be seen in English grammar even today.   For instance, Juttish as well as English uses only one grammatical gender (sexus communis), whereas Danish (in the same way as Dutch) has two genders (namely sexus communis and neuter) - and Old Norse, German and Icelandic have three (masculinum, femininum, and neuter) like Latin and Greek.
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There is little that distinguishes a people better than their language.   Although today English is vastly different that that spoken a thousand years ago, it seems the Juttish root is still there.

This then begs the question, why was England named after the Angles.  Since the English language has Jutish roots can we speculate that the Jutes and Angles are the same people, besides the language thread they did come from the same islands or peninsula.  Perhaps sometime in history they became separated by clan name only.

It is unfortunate but it seems DNA may not be able to ferret out this information, with genes being so well mixed in 1560 years.

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é  The Object of the Ogle and Oghgul DNA Projects is to facilitate Family research using new DNA Genealogy research methods.

Edward G Ogle Sr., administrates  the original "Oghgul DNA Project" while Jim Gilbert administrates the "Ogle Project", each seeking the same goal although on divergent paths.

** The Oghgul DNA Project is more concerned with our world wide ancient ancestry but also including the progenitor of the first Ogle in America .  ** While the Ogle Project is more concerned with USA genealogy back to our last generation in England. 

Both projects can be found using the search word "Ogle" at http://www.familytreedna.com/contact.html

This page http://www.familytreedna.com/name_search.aspx allows you to review the Ogle Project, the Oghgul DNA Project and also a few other sites listing Ogles.

Since the family name Ogle was taken before dictionaries; I believe "Oghgul" is synonymous with "Ogle".  I believe the families of the Clan consist of a number of closely linked blood lines.  It is the objective of the Oghgul DNA Project to identify those people who have ancestry from the original Clan period.  Even if it is impossible to prove kin, I would be very pleased to find DNA matches that dates back 62 generations to 447 AD.

The Quest for Oghgul (Ogle family) is to determine the origin of my ancestors and therefore the Ogle (Oghgul) family.   To discover if the ancient and honorable family of Ogle of Northumberland derived from the Oghgul race (Clan or Tribe) written of by Nennius:  "Hengist consulted the elders of Oghgul" before meeting with King Vortigern in Britain about 447 AD.  There is still an Ogle village in Northumberland.  The Ogle name is thought to have been taken from a place name.

I believe them to be Germanic, but were they mainland European and Saxon or Northern European and Jute, Anglo.    Since this original entry; my DNA test as of July 19, 2005 has determined that I carry no "Viking" DNA markers.

For over 30 years the Ogle/Ogles Family Association of America has tried to prove the American Ogle families ancestral link to England.

John Ogle, a solder in the British Army is the progenitor of many, if not all Ogles in America.  The association has yet to find documented proof of which Ogle family in England John is descended from.   This is where DNA research is expected to help identify the family from which John Ogle of Delaware descended.  

Family Tree Maker, a genealogy company, has started a "genealogy by DNA project" and provides the opportunity to eventually settle this question.


Of course this project requires the cooperation of a number of Ogle Family members both here and in England whom I hope will be attracted to join a concerted effort of DNA research to finally close this question.

If interested write to me at: Edward G Ogle Sr., 2706 Hollyridge Dr., Orange park, FL 32073-6515, Attn: Oghgul DNA project or -
using subject: Oghgul DNA project.

The Oghgul DNA project is not endorsed by the Ogle/Ogles Family Association which is more concerned with the Ogle project.

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é  Starting My Test  This area shows the general routine I went thru when I first started my DNA project.

May 19, 2006:  FTDNA has been able to expand again, this time from 59 markers to 67 markers.  This took place while they were waiting to test me for 59 markers.  Since I was one of the first to purchase the 59 marker test FTDNA has upgraded me to 67 markers at no extra charge.  They will be upgrading their web to the new info within the next two weeks.

April 2006:  I purchased the 59 marker upgrade.

May 22, 2005:  I purchased and have completed my test by the DNAPlus package.  This is the most comprehensive test they have at this time, it includes the mt and Y test.  If you wish to join in the Oghgul DNA Project, click on "Join the Project Here" near the top of this page, then near the bottom of that page in the "Type of Test" block are the current discounted prices for all test.  The "Y-DNA12" test is interesting but the "25" and "37" test are more useful.  To include your mothers Haplogroup include the mtDNA test that is combined in the DNAPlus package.

I will keep these pages posted as  new data comes in.  They are working on an even more comprehensive test but I think they have priced it way to high for a poor man like me to purchase.

May 23, 2005:  Hi Folks:  Well all my test are completed.  One thing has been proven, there are no markers to indicate American Indian blood in my line.  This leaves me wondering who Betsy "Waninto" really was – I had accepted that spelling as factual, now I have to do some serious digging of my own.


On Mothers side I am Haplogroup J
:  The original Haplogroup J originated in the Near East approximately 50,000 years ago.  The Haplogroup J is particularly interesting because it has been detected in Turkey, Italy, Sardinia, Iberia, and Iceland. – one web site shows this assigned to European Farmers (the main J track is in far Eastern Europe)

On Dads side I am Haplogroup R1b1a2a1a1b – Atlantic Modal Type – strictly western European.

My paternal matches so far are many generations back, and show 23 cousins in England and 23 cousins in Ireland.  With even more distant cousins from Siberia meandering back thru Europe to the USA.

That’s all well and good and interesting but it don’t tell me who Mordacai’s parents were, and if I do link back to John Ogle of Delaware, it don’t tell me that either.

I have joined a genealogy group in England, their data base shows a lot of Ogles.  I am sending e-mails hoping for a response.

But it would help if I matched with someone that links (or not) back to John Ogle of Delaware.  Since it has been admitted that regardless of all the hype about DNA doing wondrous things, you still need a paper trail to pin point specific relatives.

It would enhance my search in England if I had solid footing here in the states.  My sister can’t point to an Irish connection but she has seen data that might link us to Europe thru Ireland.  We know from history that in about 1079 the Border Reivers were hard put upon by the king to stop their raiding ways.  Some whole families were kicked out of England.  Northumberland included much of southern Scotland way back when, and the Border Reivers married back and forth – another trail to follow.

If any of you Ogle men would like to take the test please go to
The Ogle DNA Project Signup Page  and join the Ogle Project.  By joining through a project, the Family Tree folks give you a discount on the yDNA test.

I’m not going to leave out our Women either, but you ladies will need a male relative to do the test for you.  While today's women carry their mothers mtDNA from thousands of generations, a fathers yDNA is not passed to a daughter at all.  A son carries his Fathers DNA from thousands of generations, but he carries his Mothers DNA for his generation only.  This all has to do with males having one X and one Y chromosome, and females having two X chromosomes.

That’s all for now – live free    Ed
 


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