The data presented here was first printed
the Summer of 2004 in "The Ogle
Genealogist", 2003, volume 24, authored by Edward G Ogle Sr.
Read about the Ogle Family Association at
still perplexed by not having found the roots of our Ogle family name.
The family named Ogle is documented beginning about 1055. I think most
of the family believe we are descended from one of the Germanic tribes
of Jutes, Angles or Saxon that came to Britannia around the years 449-479
AD from the North Sea regions of what is today Denmark and Northern
In Old English (OE) I found the words (long O each case): "ogengel" (bar or bolt); and "oga" (fear, terror, dread, terrible object). Then these words in OE that if distorted could be turned into Ogle. One word is "ongle" (it may mean point of view such as a spit of land), and "ongol" (has been translated to Angel, where Angel is a district in Schleswig, "from which the Angles came"), supported by Ongolcynn and Angelcynn meaning England or the English People. Remember it is said that the Ogle Sir Name is taken from a place name and the Angles are known to have moved northward from southeast Britannia which was already occupied by Jutes or Saxons.
Could it be that landlords of the Ogle area may have been known perhaps as John of Ogle, or John of Ongol" We do know that before the Viking arrival Northumberland was one of the most powerful kingdoms in England. If I am correct the power of the area diminished slightly during original Viking raids but then again increased for a while after the Vikings began to settle the region. Thorp, as in Oglethorpe may mean hamlet and may mean the Ogle village. Does this mean that Vikings took over the village, or did they assimilate into an area near the village? This leaves me to ponder if the family is Scandian, German, or both. (Date June 2006, One Ogle that took the DNA test has Scandinavian markers - proof that somewhere in time .....)
So far, I find "Oghgul" only in the translation of Nennius's "Historia Brittonum (History of the Britons)", and do not find Ogg, nor Og or Oghill etc., anywhere other than the writing of people speculating on the origin of the name.
I do find a word or two that begins with "og" in the language of the "Vikings". Supported by the Scandinavian names of Oglethorpe and Oglesby.
We know the "Northmen" traveled as traders along the oceans and waterways westward to the Americas and also eastward and southward all the way to Byzantium,. As they explored they established trading posts. Some Northmen settled these areas and married the local women, and many of these locations became great cities. These Northmen were called Russ in the regions that are now Russia.
Using the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle as reference I come to the conclusion that the raiders, the Danes, killed or displaced a large number of people but then settled and assimilated into the rest of the Northumberland area rather than having annihilated the entire local population.
The point is that the Oghgul, Ogg, Oghill, Ogil may have "Viking" ancestry and that is why the family was allowed to keep all its holdings after 1066. Does anyone know or suspect an Ogle may have fought with William, they didn't seem to like English kings very much?
The following Garmonsway translation of the "The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle" is said to be the most accurate of some 5 or 6 versions over time.
Extracts for the following comes from The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle, as Translated, edited and introduced by G. N. Garmonsway, Professor of English, Kings College, University of London, 1956-65.
You will see that after the date 1069 there is no mention of Northumbria (or Northumberland). What I now believe is that there is no way we can identify the Ogle blood line as Anglo-Saxon without considering it might well be Danish, or Norwegian, and then there is the possibility that it is both. My notes within the chronicle are red and in brackets .
In 2008 I came to know that there was a King of the Irish named "Niall N'giallach - Niall of the Nine Hostages". A famous Irish High king who's Clan ruled Ireland for 600 years until the 11th century [could they mean 1066]. He had at least 12 sons of his own and is thought to have 3 million descendants today in Ireland, Scotland and the US.
Of 25 markers I have 16 that exactly match this king and 9 markers that are only 1 marker off - but that distance makes it unlikely there is a relation.
The question that now comes up: Am I not a descendant of the Ogle Castle branch of the family. There are only a few Ogle males that have tested their DNA leaving us with this dilemma. Only a significant number of other Ogles stepping forward and testing their DNA may ever settle this question. Then we go from there.
More concerning the Vikings at Viking Era.
End Editor's Commentary and begin Chronicle.
443 AD: In this year the Britons sent over sea to Rome and asked them for troops against the Picts, but they had none there because they were at war with Attila, and then they sent to the Angles and made the same request to the princes of the Angles.
449 AD: In this year Marcian and Valentinian obtained the kingdom and reigned seven years. In their days Vortigern invited the Angles hither, and they came ---- in three ships at a place [Ebbsfleet]. King Vortigern gave them land southeast of this land on condition that they fought against the Picts. They then fought against the Picts and had victory wherever they came. Then they sent to Angel; ordered (them) to send more aid and to be told of the worthlessness of the Britons and of the excellence of the land. They then at once sent hither a larger force to help the others. These men came from three nations of Germany: from the old Saxons, from the Angles, from the Jutes. From the Jutes came the people of Kent and the people of the Isle of Wight, that is the race that now dwells in the Isle of Wight, and the race among the West Saxons which is still called the race of the Jutes. From the Old Saxons came the East Saxons and South Saxons and West Saxons. From Angel, which has stood waste ever since between the Jutes and the Saxons, came the East Angles, Middle Angles Mercians and all the Northumbrians. Their leaders were two brothers Hengest and Horsa; they were the sons of Wihtgils, the son of Witta, the son of Wecta, the son of Woden; from this Woden sprang all our royal family and that of the peoples dwelling south of the Humber.
455 AD: In this year Hengest and Horsa fought against King Vortigern ---- and his brother Horsa was slain. After that Hengest succeeded to the kingdom and Aesc (Oisc) his son.
519 AD: In this year Cerdic and Cynric obtained the kingdom of the West Saxons, and the same year they fought against the Britons ----. And from that day on the princes of the West Saxons have reigned.
547 AD: In this year Ida, from whom originally sprang the royal race of the Northumbrians, succeeded to the kingdom and reigned 12 years. He built Bamburgh, ---.
593 AD: In this year ---- Aethelfrith succeeded to the kingdom of Northumbria. He was the son of Aethelric, the son of Ida.
603 AD: In this year Aedan, king of the Irish [Delriada in W. Scotland], fought against Deolreda and against Aethelfrith, king of Northumbria, at Daegsanstan; and almost all his host was slain. There Theodbald, Aethelfrith's brother, was slain with all his retinue. Thereafter no king of Scots dared lead a host against this nation.
633 AD: In this year king Edwin was slain by Cadwallon and Penda at Hatfield Chase on 14 October; and he had ruled seven years [recte seventeen years] His son Osfrith was also slain with him. Then afterwards went Cadwallon and Penda and laid waste the whole of Northumbria.
634 AD: And also in this year Oswald succeeded to the kingdom of Northumbria, and reigned 9 years.
641 AD: In this year Oswald, king of Northumbria, was slain by Penda the Mercian at Maserfeld, on Aug 5th ---- and the same year that Oswald was slain his brother Oswy succeeded to the Northumbrian kingdom, and he reigned twenty eight years.
670 AD: In this year Oswy, king of Northumbria passed away on 15 February, and Ecgfrith, his son, reigned after him.
685 AD: This same year king Ecgfrith was slain to the north of the see [the Firth of Forth] on 20 May, and a great host with him. He was King for fifteen years, and Aldfrith, his brother, succeeded to the kingdom.
705. In this year Aldfrith, king of Northumbria, passed away on 14 December at Driffield, and Osred, his son, succeeded him to the kingdom.
716. In this year Osred, king of Northumbria, was killed to the south of the border [between Northumbria and Mercia]: he had ruled seven years after Aldfrith. [There seems to be a math problem, Osred must have ruled eleven years. Ed]. Then Coenred succeeded to the kingdom and ruled two years. After him Osric ruled eleven years.
718. (In this year Ingeld, the brother of Ine, passed away, and their sisters were Cwenburh and Cuthburh; and ---- Cuthburh was given in marriage to Aldfrith, king of Northumbria, but they parted during their lifetime. [This has to be a side note since Aldfrith died in 705 ? but it tells us who one Queen of Northumbria was. Also this would be the year that Osric took the kingdom after Coenred].
729. In this year two comets appeared; and the same year Osric passed away, who had been king eleven years. Then Ceolwulf succeeded to the kingdom and ruled eight years. [Chinese observations include comets during the year 730 AD. These two comet observations were first observed in January and reappearing for three weeks are most likely one comet observation. It is also referred to in Matthew of Paris" two manuscripts Flores and Chronica Maior; and Bartholemew of Cotton's Chronicle.]
737. In this year King Ceolwulf received the Petrine tonsure [and became a secular priest]; and gave his kingdom to Eadberht, the son of his paternal uncle: he reigned twenty one years.
738. In this year Eadberht succeeded to the Northumbrian kingdom.
757. In this year Eadberht, King of Northumbria, received the tonsure, and Oswulf, his son, succeeded him to the kingdom and reigned one year: and the members of his household killed him on 24 July.
759. Aethelwald Moll succeeded to the Northumbrian kingdom and reigned six years, and then abdicated.
761 [763-4] In this year was the hard winter; and Moll, the Northumbrian king, slew Oswine at Aedwinesclif on 6 August
765. In this year Alhred succeeded to the kingdom of Northumbria and reigned eight years.
774. In this year the Northumbrians expelled their king Alhred from York at Eastertide, and took Aethelred, son of Moll, as their lord, and he reigned four years.
778. In this year Aelfwald succeeded to the [Northumbrian Ed] kingdom and drove Aethelred out of the country, and he reigned for ten years.
779. . In this year the Old Saxons and the Franks fought. And  the Northumbrian "high Reeves" burned Beorn the ealdorman to death in Seletun [this is a place, enclosure, garden etc. Ed.] on 24 December.
788. This year there was a synod assembled at Fingall in Northumberland, on the fourth day before the nones of September; and Abbot Albert departed this life.
789 . In this year Aelfwald, king of Northumbria was slain by Sicga on 23 September, and a light was frequently seen in the sky where he was slain: He was buried at Hexham inside the church. And Osred, son of Alhred succeeded to the kingdom after him, and he was his nephew.
790. In this year ---- and Osred, king of Northumbria, was betrayed and driven from the kingdom; and Aethelred son of Aethelwald was restored to the kingdom.
792 . In this year ---- King Aethelred married again on 29 September, and the lady was called Aelflaed [Now we know the name of two queens, Ed].
793. In this year terrible portents appeared over Northumbria, and miserably frightened the inhabitants; these were exceptional flashes of lightning, and fiery dragons were seen flying in the air. A great famine soon followed these signs; and a little after that in the same year on [8 June] the harrying of the heathen miserably destroyed God's church in Lindisfarne by rapine and slaughter.
794. ---- Aethelred king of Northumbria, was killed by his own court on 19 April. ---- and Northumbria was ravaged by the heathen, and Ecgfrith's monastery at Donemup [Jarrow] looted; and there one of their leaders was slain, and some of their ships besides were shattered by storms; and many of them were drowned there, and some came ashore alive and were at once slain at the river mouth.
795 . ---- and Eardwulf came to the throne of Northumbria on 14 May; he was afterwards consecrated and enthroned on 26 May in York ---.
798. In this year in spring, on 2 April, there was a great battle at Whalley in Northumbria, and there was slain Alric, the son of Heardberht, and many others with him
806. In this year there was an eclipse of the moon on 1 September, and Eardwulf, king of Northumbria, was driven from his kingdom --.
827 . In this year there was an eclipse of the moon on Christmas morning. [The eclipse was at 2 a.m. on 25 December 828, and opens the annals for 829 which begins the year at 24 September].
Egbert king of Wessex led his levies to Dorn against the Northumbrians, where they offered him submission and peace; thereupon they parted.
875 . In this year went the host [Danes] from Repton, and Halfdan went with a part of the host into Northumbria, and took winter quarters on the river Tyne; and the host overran that land, ----.
876 .And in this year Halfdan shared out the lands of Northumbria, and they were engaged in ploughing and in making a living for themselves.
894 . (The Danes promised the king they would leave England but instead plundered widely.) While attempting to get out of the area with the plunder the king caught up to them, and recovered the plunder forcing them back across the Thames and up the Colne where they held. They were surrounded, but the service of many of the kings men was finished and they wished to return home. The king then went after new troops and supplies. The Danes remained on the island because their king had been wounded and could not be moved.
---- The Danes dwelling in Northumbria and East Anglia assembled about a hundred ships which sailed south ---- and besieged Exeter. ---- When the king lernt of this he marched west towards Exeter with all the levies, [I can't find this word in my dictionaries but it seems to indicate conscripts] ---- then they [the English] advanced and put that host to flight, stormed the fort and seized everything inside it, both property and women and children and conveyed them all into London. ----
both the host was concentrated at Shoebury in Essex, and there they made a fort and marched in company up along the Thames joined by great reinforcements from East Anglia and from Northumbria. (There was a great battle) and there Ordheh, the kings thane, was slain, and also many other of the kings thanes were slain. ( and very great slaughter was made there of the Danes ), and the remnant that escaped were saved by flight. When they came to their fort and to their ships in Essex, the remainder again gathered together a great host from East Anglia and Northumbria before winter; and placing their women and their ships and their property in safety in East Anglia they marched " and sized all the cattle ---- and burnt the corn ---. That was twelve months after they came hither oversea.
895. ---- with much plunder ---- marching across Northumbria and East Anglia so that the levies could not get at them ----.
897 . ---- in this year the host dispersed, some to East Anglia, some to Northumbria, and those without stock got themselves ships there, and sailed south oversea to the Seine. This same year the host in East Anglia and Northumbria greatly harassed Wessex along the south coast ----.
901 . In this year died Alfred, son of Aethelwulf, ---- He was king over all England except that part that was under Danish domination, he ruled twenty-eight and a half years. Then Edward, his son, succeeded to the kingdom. Then Aethelwold, son of Alfred's elder brother, seized the manor at Wimborne and at Christchurch ---- the prince road off by night and came to the host in Northumbria which received his as king and submitted to him.
906  ---- and in the same year peace was ratified at Tiddingford, as king Edward ordained, both with the host from East Anglia and with the Northumbrians.
910. ---- And this same year king Edward sent levies from both Wessex and Mercia, and severely harried the host in the north, destroying both people and every kind of cattle: They slew many Danes and were many weeks in their territory.
In this year the host in Northumbria broke the truce, and rejecting with scorn whatever fair terms king Edward and his councillors offered them, harried across Mercia. Then king Edward ---- And there was slain King Eowils, King Halfdan, Jarl Ohtor, Jarl Scurfa, and the Scandinavian barons Athulf, and Agmund.
912. In this year died Aethelred, ealdorman of Mercia, [leaving Lady Aethelflaed, sister to king Edward to rule] and King Edward took over London and Oxford, and all the lands thereto.
923 . In this year ---- king Edward ---- ordered ---- to occupy Manchester in Northumbria, and had it repaired and garrisoned.
924 . ---- Then the king of Scots and the whole Scottish nation accepted him as "father and Lord"; so also did Raegnald and the sons of Eadwulf and all the inhabitants of Northumbria, both English and Danish, Norwegians, and others; together with the king of Strathclyde Welsh and all his subjects.
925 . In that year passed away king Edward, and Athelstan, his son, came to the throne.
941. In this year the Northumbrians were false to their pledges, and chose Anlaf from Ireland as their king.
943. In this year king Edmund besieged king Anlaf and archbishop Wulfstan in Leicester, and might have captured them had they not escaped from the city by night. Afterwards Anlaf obtained king Edmund's friendship, and king Edmund stood sponsor for him at baptism and bestowed royal gifts upon him.
944. In this year king Edmund brought all Northumbria under his sway, and drove out two kings, Anlaf Sihtricson, and Raegnald Guthfrithson.
948. In this year king Edmund was stabbed to death, and Eadred, his brother succeeded him; and straightway he reduced all Northumbria to subjection; and Scots swore him oaths and promised to do his will in all things.
949. In this year Anlaf Cuaran came to Northumbria.
952. In this year the Northumbrians drove out king Anlaf and accepted Eric, son of Harold, as their king.
954. In this year the Northumbrians drove out Eric, and Eadred succeeded to the Northumbrian kingdom.
955. In this year king Eadred passed away, and Eadwig, son of Edmund, succeeded to the kingdom.
959. In this year king Eadwig passed away, and was succeeded by Edgar, his brother.
966. In this year Thored, son of Gunner, ravaged Westmoreland, and the same year Oslac became earl [of Northumbria].
975. ---- at this time too was Oslac, the famous earl, banished from England.
991. ---- In this year it was decided for the first time to pay tribute to the Danes ---- first occasion it amounted to ten thousand pounds.
993. In this year Bamburgh was destroyed, and much plunder taken there. After the host came to the mouth of the Humber and did much damage there, both in Lindsey and in Northumbria.
1002. In this year ---- [the host (Danes) continued to plunder and] they were paid twenty-four thousand pounds in tribute. Then in the midst of these events [the king] gave orders for all the Danish people who were in England to be slain on St Brice's day [13 November], because the king had been told that they wished to deprive him of his life by treachery ---- .
1012. [The Dane king Swein came back] ---- into the mouth of the Humber ---- Then earl Uhtred and all Northumbria straightway submitted to him, and all the people of Linsey.
1016. ---- Then prince Edmund rode to Northumbria to earl Uhtred ---but they went into ---- and harried on their side ---- Then after this king Cnut appointed Eric as his earl in Northumbria ---- Then it happened that king Aethelred passed away before the ships arrived. ---- then after his death all the councellors who were in London and all the citizens, chose Edmund as King, and he defended his kingdom valiantly during his lifetime.
1017. In this year king Cnut succeeded to whole realm of England, and divided into four parts ---- Northumbria to Eric.
1064 . In this year the Northumbrians united to outlaw Tostig, their earl. They slew all his retainers whom they could catch, whether English or Dane, and took his stock of weapons to York, his gold and silver and all his treasures which they came to hear of anywhere there. They sent for Morcar, son of earl ?/font>lfgar, and chose him to be their earl [and the king agreed].
1064 King Edward passed away [28 December].
1066. (William takes the kingdom of England) ---- Men paid him tribute, and gave him hostages, and then redeemed their lands from him.
1067. [William went back to France for a time, but returned] ---- He returned the next year on St. Nicholas's day [6 December] ---- when he returned he gave away everyman's land.
1068. In this year king William gave earl Robert the earldom of Northumberland, [note the name change from Northumbria] but  the inhabitants opposed and slew him and nine hundred of his men. Prince Edgar came to York with all the Northumbrians, and the citizens came to terms with him. King William marched from the south with all his levies and ravaged the borough slaying many hundreds, and the prince returned to Scotland.
1069. ---- [8 September] the sons of Swein and his brother, Jarl Osbern, came from the east from Denmark with three hundred ships; then earl Waltheof took the field, and with prince Edgar and many hundreds of men came and joined those troops that were lying in the Humber and set out for York. They landed and stormed the castles, slaying many hundreds. They carried off much treasure to their ships and made prisoners of the leading citizens, and lay between the Ouse and the Trent the whole winter. King William marched into that shire and completely devastated it.
End The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle's mention of Northumberland.
|A note of interest
Duration calculation results
From and including: Thursday, May 15, 0447 (Julian calendar)
To, but not including : Thursday, May 16, 2013 (Gregorian calendar)
It is 571,970 days from the start date to the end date, but not including the end date
Or 1566 years, 1 day excluding the end date.
Note: The From date is a Julian calendar date. The current Gregorian calendar was adopted in United States where Thursday, September 3, 1752 was the first of 11 days that were skipped. This has been accounted for in this calculation. Read more about the Julian and Gregorian calendars.
This time period translates to FTDNA generations of 62.64.
Here is a scenario, the scenario is not perfect: 25 years
per generation, 1F produces 2F these 2F produce 4F and 1GM dies // the 4F
produce 8F and 2GM dies // the 8F produces 16F and 4GM dies // and this
goes on presuming no death except by old age.