Genealogy of John Ogle, the Kings Soldier in America
4 generations posted
as of January 24, 2010
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-- Many folks believe this to be the correct ancestry for John Ogle, first in America:
-- John Ogle Soldier -- Chart showing probable common ancestor based on DNA matches for three Ogle members.
-- BIO: The OGLE Family of Somerset County, PA

-- 350 Years Ago - 8/25/14

A generation is computed as 25 years by FTDNA - we know this will vary but 25 is a functional base number for calculations.
In comparing the results from the Y-DNA 37 marker Comparison Chart: the probability that
Mr. Vassar Eugene Ogle  and  Mr. Edward Gerald Ogle Sr. shared a common ancestor within the last...
Genera-tions Date Percent   Genera-tions Date Percent   Genera-tions Date Percent   Genera-tions Date Percent
0-start 1965 2.44%   6-150 1815 61.00%   12-300 1665 92.16%   18-450 1515 98.80%
1-25 1940 8.85%   7-175 1790 69.23%   13-325 1640 94.18%   19-475 1490 99.14%
2-50 1915 18.31%   8-200 1765 76.07%   14-350 1615 95.71%   20-500 1465 99.38%
3-75  1890 29.36%   9-225 1740 81.62%   15-375 1590 96.86%   21-525 1440 99.56%
4-100 1865 40.69%   10-250 1715 86.03%   16-400 1565 97.71%   22-550 1415 99.69%
5-125 1840 51.41%   11-275 1690 89.48%   17-425 1540 98.34%   23-575 1390 99.78%

I inserted dates based on the first generation from my DOB.  Notice the first 90% plus value is at 1665, that would make John 1640 our common ancestor.  Since John is the first known Ogle in America, it's logical that John or his sons must be the match.
It gets real interesting if the match came from an older generation.

Come on you Brit Counsins, you need to get some DNA in here, Stiff upper lip and all that what.


In comparing the results from the Y-DNA 37 marker Comparison Chart: the probability that
Mr. Vassar Eugene Ogle  and  Mr. Edward Gerald Ogle Sr. shared a common ancestor within the last...
Genera-tions Date Percent   Genera-tions Date Percent   Genera-tions Date Percent   Genera-tions Date Percent
1 1965 2.44%   7 1815 61.00%   13 1665 92.16%   19 1515 98.80%
2 1940 8.85%   1790 69.23%   14 1640 94.18%   20  1490 99.14%
3 1915 18.31%   9 1765 76.07%   15  1615 95.71%   21 1465 99.38%
1890 29.36%   10 1740 81.62%   16  1590 96.86%   22  1440 99.56%
5 1865 40.69%   11  1715 86.03%   17  1565 97.71%   23 1415 99.69%
6 1840 51.41%   12  1690 89.48%   18  1540 98.34%   24  1390 99.78%

I inserted dates based on the first generation from my DOB.  Notice the first 90% plus value is at 1665, that would make John 1640 our common ancestor.  Since John is the first known Ogle in America, it's logical that John or his sons must be the match.
It gets real interesting if the match came from an older generation.
 
Come on you Brit Counsins, you need to get some DNA in here, Stiff upper lip and all that what.
 


1 John Ogle, Soldier; b: c 1640; d: bef 8 Feb, 1684 in New Castle Co., Del.
(notes 1-3)
1a Elizabeth (possibly Wollaston or Petersdotter, daughter of Peter Jochimson (Yocum)) (note 3)
2a John Ogle; believed to have died without issue.
2b Thomas Ogle; b: c 1666-72; d: bet 30 Jul - 18 Sep 1734 in New Castle Co., Del.
2b1 Mary Crawford, Daughter of James Crawford; m: bef Mar 4, 1698 (1694 Tog v24 #594). (note 2)
3a John Ogle; b: c 1690-97, in New Castle Co., Del; d: 9 Apr, 1741 in Pennsylvania. (note 4)
3a1 Elizabeth (possibly Ball or Robeson or Robinson) (note 6)
4a Thomas Ogle; b: 25 Jul, 1721 in New Castle Del.; d: btw Mar 1802-1803 in Grayson Co. (later Carroll Co.,) VA;
(note 4)
4a1 Elizabeth Robeson; m: 17 Mar 1748 in Wilmington, New Castle Co., Del. (note 5)
4b Hurcules Ogle; b: 6 Apr, 1731 in Delaware or Lancaster Co., PA; d: aft 18 Jan, 1804 in Grayson Co. (later Carroll Co.,) VA (TOG V24)
4b1 Mary Carson; Dec 1775, per unconfirmed reports.
3b Thomas Ogle, b: 1705 in New Castle Co., Del.; d: 23 Dec, 1771 in New Castle Co., Del (TOG V24) (note 7)
3b1 Mrs. Mary Livingston Williamson, or possibly Catherine Howard (Note 8)
4a George Ogle; b: abt 1753(?) in New Castle Co., Del; d: 24 Jul, 1778 in Kent Co., Del (TOG V24)
4a1 Sarah Brinklee (Brinckle)
4b James Ogle; b: 1754; d: 1794 (TOG V24)
4b1 Ann Graham, before 1776
3c Joseph Ogle; Major; b: 1707 New Castle Co., Del.; d: 25 (or 29) Apr, 1756 in Frederick Co., MD;
3c1 Sarah Winters; (b: abt 1711); m: 4 Dec, 1729 in Wilmington, New Castle Co., Del.
4a Jehu (John) Ogle; b: 5 Aug, 1731 in Prince George's Co., MD; d: ???? reportedly in Frederick Co., MD (TOG V24)
(Presumed to be the direct ancestor of Edward G Ogle 1940) (note 9)(note 10)
(Listed as direct ancestor by Vasser Eugene Ogle)
4a1 Ruth Beal; 1752 in Frederick Co., MD
4b Mary b:1735 m:Peter Butler Capt.
4c Sarah b:1739
4d Elernor b: 1741
4e Joseph Jr.: 1743
4f Benjamin b:1747 m: Rebecca Stilley dau Peter Stilley
4g Thomas b: 1749
4h William b: 1751 m: Mary Cresap 12 kids:
4i James Ogle; b: 1 Jun, 1753 in Frederick Co., Md.; d: c 1801 in Frederick Co., Md.
4i1 Mary Biggs; m: 4 Dec, 1776 in Frederick CO., Md.
4j William Ogle; b: 10 Apr, 1751 in Frederick Co., MD; d: 1810 in Sinking Springs, Highland Co., MD [TOG V24 pg 87 shows Adams Co., Ohio]   Served in the Dunmore war under Michael Cresap and also with Cresap Jr. in the
revolution.   (Listed as direct ancestor by Richard Alan Ogle)
4j1 Mary Cresap, 1777 in Frederick Co., MD
4k George listed in will but no other info
3d Benjamin Ogle, b: 20 Nov, 1715 in New Castle Co., Del.; d: May, 1779 in Hagerstown, Frederick Co., MD (TOG V24)
3d1 Rebecca Bowner
4a Joseph Ogle; b: 17 Jun, 1737 in Owens Creek, Prince George's Co., MD; d: 24 Feb, 1821 in Ridge Prairie, St. Clar Co., IL (TOG v24)
4a1 Prudence Drusilla Biggs, 1763
3e Edward Ogle; b: 1722 in New Castle Co., Del; d: abt 1793 in PA; (TOG V24)
3e1 Margaret Howard; m: 16 June, 1748 in Wilmington, New Castle Co., Del
4a William Ogle; b: 4 June 1749 in New Castle Co., Del; d: 6 May, 1806 in Rye Twp., Cumberland Co., PA (TOG V24)
4a1 Sarah Elizabeth Weiser abt 1786
The generation data below shows the probability of a common ancestor based on FTDNA 37 or 67 marker test taken by Richard Ogle, Vasser Eugene Ogle and Edward G Ogle.
The years are speculative but FTDNA accepts a generation to be 25 years.  Based on Richards documentation Joseph Ogle born 1707 pretty much puts us on target for Joseph being the common ancestor at 80.27%.   Likewise there can be little doubt that our common ancestor is within the 1609 - 1709 date.  Since John the soldier is the only known Ogle to be in the Americas within that time frame.  I feel very confident that John is indeed our direct line ancestor.   Now we need one more US Ogle who has positive documentation to Joseph or Thomas to match us.   I believe we will have a great chance of finding John's ancestry.   

I include Irish and Scott simply because there was or is a number of Ogle listed in Ireland and some in Scotland by Genes Reunited.  My FTDNA Haplogroup has me matching fully 1 in Ireland and 2 in UK.  But, at only one step distant I am matched to 20 in England, 10 in Ireland and 9 in Scotland.  

Now if we could just get an English, Irish, or Scot Ogle who has documented their line to match we will have a very good probability of linking the English family line to John.

Come on OOFA, "The chase is afoot!", lets get the word out to our members, we need at least one other US match.
 

4 gen 9.86% or 1909

8 gen 48.46% or 1809 12 gen 80.27% or 1709 16 gen 94.17% or 1609 20 gen 98.55% or 1509 24 gen 99.68% or 1409

Note 1: Since John Ogle was a soldier in New Castle in 1672 and was said to be 32 years old then it stands to reason his dob must be 1640 (+ or - 1 yr)

Note 2: I have presumed my ancestry from Mordacai (proven) to John Ogle the Soldier (1640(1649?)-1684).  Richard Alan Ogle, Vasser Eugene Ogle and Edward Gerald Ogle have taken the 37 markers DNA test and have a genetic distance of 4 meaning within 12 generations or 1640.  Therefore, there is near certain probability that we have a common ancestor in 1a-2b Thomas Ogle (1666-1672) (son of John) or certainly a son of Thomas. 

Thomas (1666-1672) had 5 sons; John, Thomas, Joseph, Benjamin, and Edward; all born in New Castle County Delaware.
John Ogle; b: c 1690/97,  d: 9 Apr, 1741 in Pennsylvania. Thomas was age 24 at this birth.
Thomas Ogle, b: 1705,  d: 23 Dec, 1771.  Thomas was age 39 at this birth.
Joseph Ogle; Major; b: 1707,  d: 25 (or 29) Apr, 1756 in Frederick Co., MD.  Thomas was age 41 at this birth.
Benjamin Ogle, b: 20 Nov, 1715,  d: May, 1779 in Hagerstown, Frederick Co., MD.  Thomas was age 49 at this birth.
Edward Ogle; b: 1722, d: abt 1793 in Pennsylvania.  Thomas was age 56 at this birth.

All three fall within the probable date period of our DNA match for 12 generations.   Vasser E and Edward G list 3c1-4c Jehu (1731-(proven) as ancestor but not Richard A.   Therefore, Joseph would be the common ancestor for Vasser and Edward.   Meaning we must step up one generation to Thomas to find the common ancestor for we three.  (1/1/2012).   This is super good news for me because I have been unable to find documentation that proves Jehu's father

Note 3: I have found an entry in World Vital Records in an Ogle pedigree that states:  (There is no documentation other than the entries.)

Elizabeth was born Wollaston on Oct 9, 1650 in Tettenhall, Staffordshire, England
And died 1713 in New Castle, New Castle, Delaware, [in the future] United States
Father:  John Wollaston (1626 - 1685)
Mother: Mary Wollaston (born Mason) (1625 - 1696)
Spouse John OGLE (1649 - 1683)
Child Thomas Ogle (1666 - 1734)

(If these dates are correct Elizabeth would have been 16 when Thomas was born, and accepting John was born in 49 John would have been 17, - certainly possible but doubtful...  While on the subject how was it that a 17 year old soldier was granted 1000 acres of land.  I can not believe John was born in 1649, I hold that he was born in 1640, more than old enough to hold political position within the community and owner of 1000 acres of land.)  I have yet to find emigration records for her, a ships manifest I presume.  Since she and John were both born in the British Isles (England) and died in America (still England), did they know each other in the Isles.  Did she migrate with her father or did she travel specifically to marry John.  I have found no other records of any Wollaston in the Americas in this time period.

Data below is published by The Ogle/Ogles Family Association in "The Ogle Genealogist".

In a letter from William Penn to the Duke of York, John Ogle was called "one Ogle who came with Captain Carr[1]" on the British expedition which captured Delaware from the Dutch in 1664. [I find the comment "one Ogle" to be curious, was there another Ogle resident in Delaware present and known to the letter writer?]

In 1672, John Ogle was called "soldier at New Castle". He said he was "32 years old or thereabouts".  In an affidavit almost certainly signed in 1680 (New York Historical Manuscripts, Delaware Papers: English, p. 362, reads "Sworne the 27th of Agust (sic) 1680 (?)," but Francis H. Hibbard stated that the original document did not show the year next to the affidavit, but instead the year 1680 was on the obverse).  In 1673 he was addressed as "you, John Ogle, are an Englishman."   In 1684 he was called by his widow, Elizabeth, "my late husband John Ogle" in disposing of the 1000 acres of land he owned at his death, which occurred between 8 December 1683 and 8 February 1683/4 (equates to 1684 using current calendar reckoning).

Colonial records, especially of Pennsylvania, New York, and Delaware, have been searched diligently by genealogists, researchers, professional and lay historians, in efforts to prove, beyond any doubt, John Ogle's date of birth, date of death, parentage, date of marriage, and wife's maiden name.  Numerous theories and suggestions have evolved over the years regarding these important events in John Ogle's life. During the period 1999-2001, the Editorial Board of the Ogle/Ogles Family Association, along with others, under the direction of O/OFA president at that time, George W. Ogles, reviewed every document and scrap of information known to exist which related to John Ogle, the immigrant [?], and to other events in the history of the Ogle family in early Colonial America.  This review is a continuing process, and the Editorial Board welcomes information, observations, and analyses from any individual or group concerning the early history of the Ogle family in America.

According to Dr. Simeon S. Todd, Ogle family genealogist of the 19th century, John Ogle married Elizabeth Wollaston, but no proof of this marriage is known to exist.  Dr. Todd made his assertion about 1880, and the conclusion stood essentially unchallenged for 100 years.

Noted Ogle family researcher of the mid-twentieth century, Francis H. Hibbard, maintained that the Ogle, Wollaston, and Crawford families arrived together in Delaware and remained close through intermarriages, but he confirmed that no proof was known to exist that John Ogle married Elizabeth Wollaston.   Family historian William J. McIntosh stated at the 1979 Ogle Symposium in Indianapolis: "John Ogle married Elizabeth - Dr. Todd said for sure Wollaston; I put Wollaston with a question mark, chiefly because I've never found proof."   From the time the Ogle/Ogles Family Association was formed in 1979, the organization acknowledged the doubt that existed in the name Wollaston as the maiden name of John Ogle's wife, Elizabeth.  She was shown in O/OFA records as Elizabeth (Wollaston?).  In 1989, O/OFA member Virginia L. Olmsted, a certified genealogist and member of the Editorial Board at that time, reiterated that no documentation was known to exist to support the name Wollaston.  Thereafter, O/OFA charts and records listed her as Elizabeth ___???___ or (maiden name not known).

Distinguished researcher Dr. Peter Stebbins Craig, who has extensively researched records of the residents along the Delaware during the seventeenth and early eighteenth centuries, published his theory that John Ogle's wife was Elisabeth Petersdotter, daughter of Peter Jochimson (Yocum).  His article "Elisabeth Pettersdotter Yocum, Wife of the English Soldier, John Ogle" was printed in The Ogle Genealogist, Vol. 18, from page 19.

While the Editorial Board was much impressed with the extensive research conducted by Dr. Craig, his theory was not embraced by the board, which held the view that it fell short of establishing substantiated genealogical proof.  At the end of 1999, Dr. Craig presented additional documentation and theorization, which were studied by a panel of eight O/OFA members appointed by the president.  In November 2000, the panel released its unified position regarding issues which had been raised by Dr. Craig.  On some points the panel agreed with Dr. Craig's findings, while on other points the panel rejected his conclusions. The panel determined that some of the data presented by Dr. Craig to support his conclusions was speculative, and some was subject to multiple interpretations, all of which left a certain degree of doubt in the minds of panel members as to the identity of Elizabeth, the wife of John Ogle.

In December 2000, Dr. Craig requested that he be allowed to communicate with each panel member in order to present his evidence and the conclusions he had reached.  The Association and the Editorial Board interposed no objection to his request, which he conducted unilaterally.

It should be mentioned that other theories have been advanced regarding the identity of Elizabeth, wife of John Ogle the immigrant. These theories were also conscientiously reviewed.

Ogle family analysts, especially of the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, referred to John Ogle, the immigrant to Delaware, as "Sir John Ogle."  In Indiana, a branch unit of the D.A.R. was named the "Sir John Ogle Chapter."  In various Colonial documents John Ogle was called "Yeoman" or "Esquire," but no contemporary document has ever been found showing him having been Knighted, therefore the title, "Sir."  None of the numerous theories of John Ogle's parentage has ever been proven, but at least two of them have become popularly accepted.


Note 4: ANCESTRY OF JOHN3 OGLE

NB: Superscript references on this page refer to numbered generations from John3 Ogle, the immigrant.

In the opinion of the editorial board of the Ogle/Ogles Family Association, original source documentation casts considerable doubt on the ancestry of John Ogle, as determined by Dr. Simeon S. Todd, and as shown in the Ogle ancestral charts printed in The Ogle Genealogist volumes 1 through 10. In an explanatory note preceding the ancestral charts appearing in volume 11 of T.O.G. (p. 114), the argument was set forth, based on a series of Colonial documents, that John3 Ogle was a son of Thomas2, rather than a son of John2, as perceived by Dr. Todd. The argument was later determined to be inconclusive and ancestral charts printed in T.O.G. were revised accordingly.

Extensive discussions of these family relationships were conducted at each of the Ogle Family Conventions (Wilmington 1991, Annapolis 1994, Salt Lake City 1997, Gatlinburg 2000, and Las Vegas 2003), and the subject has been held under constant review.

The Editorial Board has taken into account all known documentation concerning John3 Ogle, and has given special attention to these documents: property records which indicate that John3 acquired property through his mother, Mary Crawford, who inherited it from her father, James Crawford (various New Castle, Del., deeds, court records, and wills); records which appear to indicate that John2 Ogle died without issue (New Castle, Del., Court Record Book A, Vol. 1, p. 197, and New Castle Deeds, I-1, pp. 412-413); New Castle Co. Indenture 28 Oct. 1721, proving that Thomas2 Ogle had a son named John; and court records which identify Elizabeth and Lucretia Ogle as daughters of John Ogle and nieces of Thomas Ogle (New Castle Orphan Court Records, Vol. C, pp. 29-30). After studying these and other documents, the Editorial Board has determined that it is clear, beyond reasonable doubt, that John3 Ogle was a son of Thomas2 rather than a son of John2, as previously recorded. The Board recognizes that there are some who believe the documentation is inconclusive, and that they hold that John3 Ogle may have been a son of John2.

Based on the foregoing, the Editorial Board of the Ogle/Ogles Family Association has determined that relevant Ogle ancestral charts which appear in The Ogle Genealogist, will show that John3 Ogle (ca. 1690/97-1741) was a son of Thomas2 Ogle (ca. 1666/72-1734).


Note 5: MAIDEN NAME OF ELIZABETH, WIFE OF THOMAS OGLE, (1721-1802/03)

The marriage record of Thomas Ogle (1721-1802/03), found in Old Swede's Church (Holy Trinity Church), Wilmington, Delaware, lists the bride's name as Elizabeth Robeson. The marriage occurred in Mar. 1748 (later amended by hand to read 17 Mar. 1748). Dr. Peter S. Craig has stated that Elizabeth was a member of the Robinson family, there being no family named Robeson living at the time in New Castle Co., Del.

During the 18th century, there were no recognized standards for the spelling of family names. As a consequence, nearly every family name shown in official records of that period included a variety of spellings.  Pending resolution of the question of her identity, relevant ancestral charts appearing in The Ogle Genealogist will list Elizabeth's name as shown on the marriage record, while also acknowledging the possibility that she was a member of a family whose name was usually spelled differently.

Note 6: THE IDENTITY OF ELIZABETH, WIFE OF JOHN OGLE (1690/97-1741)

Unsupported O/OFA records list the wife of John Ogle (1690/97-1741) as Elizabeth Robinson, as determined by Dr. Simeon S. Todd. Dr. Peter S. Craig has asserted that her maiden name was Ball.

O/OFA member Oren O. Ogle reported that certified genealogist Virginia L. Olmsted stated in October 1988 that she had proof that Elizabeth's maiden name was Robinson.  Mrs. Olmsted died in May 1989 without having submitted her proof to the Association.  Since no documentation has been found to establish with certainty the maiden name of John's wife, Elizabeth, the Editorial Board has determined that the records of O/OFA shall reflect both Robinson and Ball as possible maiden names, at the same time recognizing that neither may be correct.


Note 7: THE IDENTITIES OF THE WIVES OF THOMAS OGLE (1705-1771)

Ogle family historians have struggled for many years over the identification of the wives of Thomas Ogle (1705-1771). Dr. Simeon S. Todd listed three marriages of Thomas Ogle: (1) Martha, who abandoned him and their children about 1751, (2) Mary Livingston, and (3) Mrs. Mary Williamson. William J. McIntosh listed these three marriages on a chart he produced before 1959. At some point before 1979, McIntosh discovered what he believed was a fourth marriage, that of Thomas Ogle to Catherine (Howard'). Before his death in 1985, McIntosh had determined (rightly or wrongly) that Mary Livingston and Mrs. Mary Williamson were the same person.

In the meantime, Francis H. Hibbard had determined (undated paper) that Thomas' three wives were Martha, Mary Livingston, and the widow Catherine (Howard) Williamson, whom Thomas married in 1756. Hibbard stated, "The last marriage was not entered into lightly; a marriage contract was carefully drawn, for the protection of the interests of his children by previous marriage." There is no indication that McIntosh or Hibbard communicated their conclusions to the other. The marriage contract referred to by Hibbard has not been found.

In 1999 Dr. Craig asserted that Thomas was married but twice, first to Martha, and second to Catherine. He stated there is no evidence to support Catherine's family name as being Howard. In the absence of documentation, it is possible that Dr. Craig is correct in his analysis. However, what little evidence exists suggests that there were three marriages.

Based on the foregoing, the Editorial Board has concluded that it is not possible at this time to list with absolute certainty the wives of Thomas Ogle. Ancestral charts appearing in The Ogle Genealogist will include appropriate remarks regarding his marriages.

Note 8:

Note 9  Not yet proven but thought to be the parents of  Jehu Ogle and his wife, Isabella who we believe to be the parents of Mordecai Ogle. Mordecai was enumerated on the 1820 and 1830 censuses in Columbiana Co., OH. he married Elizabeth (Warrents or Wanento [there are variable spelling for Warrents found]).   In 1815 Jehu and Isabelle Ogle deeded land in Harrison Co., OH, (T13, R5, Sec. 35) to Mordecai.

Note 10:  4a thru 4k has been reconfigured from information found in the research book "Pioneers of Old Monocacy" about the early settlement of Frederick County Maryland from the years 1721 - 1743.
 

[1] Courious problem: The link http://www.archive.org/stream/americancarrfami00fran#page/2/mode/2up is of the Carr family genealogy - There is NO mention of a Captain Carr or even a British soldier, with in the same time frame as the capture of New Amsterdam (New York) or Delaware.  Their genealogy does not mention an Ogle in this period.  See also http://home.earthlink.net/~herblst/carr_family.htm   There is mention of the British as an oppresser of religious freedom. 
There must have been other Carr families of the time in which a British Captain Carr was included.  A search so far has not turned up a direct mention of a Capt Carr, rather only in conjunction with other information.

[2] http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/media/95717/Early-history-of-Dutch-and-English-colonization-in-New-Amsterdam  brings up questions of whether an
     expedition was needed to "capture" New York - it looks more as if the English simply out populated the Dutch.

[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Delaware#British_colony interesting early history of Delaware.  Here there is mention of a York expedition
    that took the region.  Still no mention of a Captain Carr.


Many folks believe this to be the correct ancestry for John Ogle, first in America:
1 Luke Ogle
  2a Luke Ogle of Eglingham  b:1540 d: 23 Nov 1597
  2a1 Julian
    3a Luke Ogle b:1560 Eglingham, Northumberland England  d: 1582 Eglingham NH Eng
    3a1 Isabella Craster b: 1581 Craster, Dustonburgh, England (Daughter of Edmund Craster)
      4a Henry Ogle of Eglingham NH Eng  b: 1600 Eglingham, Northumberland,  England  d: Eg NH Eng 1669
      4a1 Jane Forester  b: 1601 Whitehouse, Eng
        5a John Ogle of Eglingham  b: 1621
        5a1 Eleanor Pringle  b: 1625
          6 John Ogle of Delaware;  b: 30 Sep 1649 at Bewick upon Tweed,  Northumberland, England;  d: 1684 New Castle, DE
          6+ Elizabeth Wolliston  b: abt 1650-1655
NOTES:
A major problem is his age: 1664 was the date the Brits captured Delaware (or New Amsterdam that became New York)  - and he was said to be 32 in 1672 which means he was born in 1640.  This would make him 24 during the capture of  New York.   He could easily have been a titled officer at that age.   His father was certainly a land owner, it is reasonable that he would have purchased an officers rank for John.   I have great doubt that he would have acquired such large land holdings in America  in such a short time as a teenager. 
 

 BIO of the OGLE Family of Somerset County, PA

This BIO was printed in 1906

(I) John Ogle was the pioneer of the Ogle family in America. He came from England in 1666 [actually 1664 as a soldier with captain Carr] and settled in Newcastle, Delaware (then a part of Pennsylvania), where he held large grants of land under the Duke of York and afterward from the Penns.  He had three sons, Thomas, John and William.

(II) Thomas Ogle, eldest son of John Ogle, the founder of the family in this country, was married to Mary Crawford, by whom he had five children, the eldest of whom was Thomas, born in Oglestown, Newcastle county, Delaware, in 1705, and he was the ancestor of Hon. Thomas M. Ogle, late of Wilmington, Delaware. By his second wife, Mrs. Elizabeth Graham, he had six children. His fourth child by his first wife was Joseph.

(III) Joseph Ogle, son of Thomas and Mary (Crawford) Ogle, married Sarah Winters, with whom he migrated to Frederickstown, Maryland, about 1746. He was commissioned a justice of the peace by his kinsman, Governor Samuel Ogle, when Frederick was organized as a county of Maryland in 1748, and by virtue of that office was a member of the first county court of Frederick county. He had seen military service, and in the court records and elsewhere in the history of those days is called Major and sometimes Colonel Joseph Ogle. He owned lands on Owen Creek, Frederick county, Maryland, aggregating about five thousand acres. He was father by his first wife, Sarah, to seven sons and three daughters. His first child was named John.

(IV) John Ogle, eldest child of Joseph and Sarah (Winters) Ogle, at the death of his father in 1756 received by his last will and testament, recorded at Frederick, Maryland, about five hundred acres of valuable land from off the old homestead. He married and had six sons. About 1785 he, with two of his sons, Joseph, the eldest, and John, the fifth son, migrated to Illinois, along with other families from Frederick and Washington counties, Maryland. Among others was Captain Joseph Ogle, who as early as 1769 was living on the Ohio river, near the present city of Wheeling. Jacob Ogle (a sergeant in Joseph Ogle's company) was killed near Fort Henry, being ambushed by the Indians, in 1877. Another brother, Captain James Ogle, was killed in 1782 in the unfortunate engagement of Colonel Crawford at Upper Sandusky, Ohio. The Ogles settled in what is now known as Monroe county, Illinois. The second son of Joseph Ogle was Charles; he lived in Elizabethtown, now Hagerstown, in 1794, and during that year severed his connection with the Mount Etna iron works, of which he was a superintendent. The same year he engaged in the general merchandise business as a member of the firm of Ogle & Hall. He was a vestryman in St. John's Protestant Episcopal church. The third son of John was Alexander.

(V) Alexander Ogle, third son of John Ogle, born about 1766, was a clerk in the grocery store of his uncle, James Ogle, which grocery store stood on the corner of a two or four acre lot, in the center of which stood his uncle's dwelling, being the same house in which major Joseph Ogle had lived--the old homestead on Owen's creek, Frederick county, Maryland. With others of the family, and friends, the Cresaps, the Wetzels, the Poes and other Frederick county people, he went westerly to Washington county, Maryland, where, after the Revolutionary war, they congregated in the neighborhood of Oldtown, from which place Alexander removed to Somerset county, Pennsylvania, about the time of the formation of the county in 1795. Here he almost immediately sprang into prominence. He was repeatedly commissioned as prothonotary, register and recorder; was a representative in the assembly and state senator and member of congress. He was commissioned by Governor Snyder in 1811 as major-general of the state militia, and also by Governor Shultz, August 3, 1828, to the same office. As the representative of Somerset county, in one of his speeches delivered in the senate of Pennsylvania he referred to his constituents as the "frosty sons of thunder," in reference to the high altitude of this mountain county, an appellation by which the people of Somerset county have ever since been known and in which they take particular pride. Alexander Ogle was a tall man of commanding presence, finely chiseled features; generally wore a red vest and ruffled shirt. He was a Democrat and a great admirer of General Andrew Jackson. He was the subject of a character sketch by Dr. William Elder, of Philadelphia, published in his book, "Periscopics."

He married Mary Williams, of Bedford county, distinguished for her beauty and Christian amiability. She was one of the "three Marys" by whose efforts the first Christian (Disciple) church was started in Somerset. Alexander and Mary Ogle had two children, Charles and Alexander.

(VI) Alexander Ogle, Jr., son of Alexander and Mary (Williams) Ogle, was brigade general of the militia and captain of the Independent Blues. He was prothonotary, register and recorder for a number of years and a member of the legislature. His brother Charles was distinguished as a lawyer and a member of congress, where he delivered his speech in 1840 on the Royal Splendor of the President's Palace, so effictive in the Harrison campaign of that year.

Alexander Ogle, Jr. married Charlotte, daughter of Jacob Schneider and wife. Jacob Schneider's brother Adam owned most of the land in Somerset borough north of Main street and conveyed to the county the lot where the court house and jail are erected, and to the borough the lot where the academy or high school stands. Alexander Ogle and wife, Charlotte, were the parents of six children: Andrew Jackson; Charles Henry, graduated at West Point, member of New York cavalry regiment and died during the Civil war; Mary, married Judge F. M. Kimmel; Charlotte, married Ross Forward; Louisa, married Hon. Edward Scull, for many years editor of the "Somerset Herald," collector of United States revenues and member of congress.

(VII) Andrew Jackson Ogle, son of Alexander and Charlote (Schneider) Ogle, born in Somerset, Pennsylvania, March 25, 1822, attended college at Cannonsburg, Pennsylvania, read law with Hon. Jeremiah S. Black, who was his brother-in-law. In 1845 he was elected prothonotary and in 1848 to congress, representing the district composed of Somerset, Fayette and Green counties. He was a Whig in politics, and in the election of 1850 the Democratic majorities of Fayette and Green counties elected his competitor, Hon. John L. Dawson, of Fayette county.

He was then appointed charge de affaires to Denmark by President Filmore, but died suddenly of apoplexy October 14, 1852, at his home in Somerset. He was six feet tall, fair complexion, light brown hair and blue eyes. He was unusual as a stump orator, popular and beloved by all who knew him. His untimely death cut short what promised to be a brilliant political career.

He married Harriet Forward, daughter of Hon. Chauncey Forward, who was a lawyer of prominence, a member of congress and a brother of Hon. Walter Forward, who was a judge in Pittsburg, Pennsylvania, and secretary of the treasury in the cabinet of President Tyler. The children born to Andrew Jackson and Harriet (Forward) Ogle were: Maud, married Hon. Francis J. Kooser, present president judge of Somerset county; Alexander, who graduated at West Point in 1872 and died as first lieutenant in 1901; and John G. Ogle.

(VIII) John G. Ogle, youngest son of Andrew Jackson and Harriet (Forward) Ogle, was born at Somerset, Pennsylvania, March 25, 1851. He attended the public schools, Millersville State Normal and Bethany College, West Virginia. He then read law with his brother-in-law, Hon. F. J. Kooser, was admitted to the bar in 1873 and has since continuously practiced law. At present he is associated with General W. H. Koontz as Koontz & Ogle. He has never held office, but takes an interest in politics and has several times been chairman of the Republican county committee. Mr. Ogle married, in 1875, Cora Baer, daughter of Hon. William J. Baer, who was president judge of the counties of Somerset and Bedford from 1881 to 1891. Mr. and Mrs. Ogle have two children, Hallie and Elizabeth.

Credits: History of Bedford and Somerset Counties, Pennsylvania.;   History of Bedford County by E. Howard Blackburn; History of Somerset County by William H. Welfley;   v.3, Published by the Lewis Publishing Company, New York/Chicago 1906,  pgs. 10-13
 

These three are listed on the English Web site http://www.genesconnected.com/genesreunited.asp?wci=yourhome

John Ogell born 1644 from Berwick Upon Tweed United Kingdom
John Ogle born 1645 from Durham United Kingdom
John Ogle born 1649 Eglingham United Kingdom

 350 Years Ago, New Amsterdam Became New York. Don't Expect a Party.

By SAM ROBERTS     AUG. 25, 2014

On Aug. 26, 1664, 350 years ago Tuesday, a flotilla of four British frigates led by the Guinea, which was manned by 150 sailors and conveying 300 redcoats, anchored ominously in Gravesend Bay off Brooklyn, between Coney Island and the Narrows.

Over the next 13 days, the soldiers would disembark and muster at a ferry landing located roughly where the River Caf is moored today, and two of the warships would sail to the Battery and train their cannon on Fort Amsterdam on the southern tip of Manhattan.

Finally, on Sept. 8, the largely defenseless settlement tolerated a swift and bloodless regime change: New Amsterdam was immediately renamed New York. It would evolve into a jewel of the British Empire, endowed with a collective legacy "its roots indelibly Dutch" that distinguished it from every other American colony.

Do not take it personally, though, if you have not been invited to the 350th birthday party. None is scheduled in the city. Neither the British nor the Dutch are planning any official commemoration. Nor is Mayor Bill de Blasio.
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Paul O'Dwyer, the Irish-born and Anglophobic president of the New York City Council, was behind having the "1664" expunged from the city's seal and flag and replaced with 1625, to coincide with the arrival of the Dutch. Credit William E. Sauro/The New York Times

The reasons behind New Yorkers' nearly unanimous indifference are, well, historical, chief among them an ambivalence toward the British and a dispassion for the past.

Until around the time of World War I, Evacuation Day, which marked the belated departure of English troops from New York after the American Revolution (on Nov. 25, 1783), was celebrated with considerable brio, especially when compared with the periodic commemorations of 1664 anniversaries.

In 1974, Paul O'Dwyer, the Irish-born and Anglophobic president of the New York City Council, seized upon the 700th anniversary of the founding of Amsterdam in the Netherlands to actually expunge "1664" from the city's official seal and flag and replace it with 1625, to coincide with the arrival of the Dutch.

Alluding to the current lack of any hullabaloo, Michael Miscione, the Manhattan borough historian, said, "This year, Paul O'Dwyer is smiling in his grave."

Mike Wallace, a City University historian and a co-author of "Gotham: A History of New York to 1898", said the British might have their own reasons not to observe the milestone.

"I doubt the English see this as something to carry on about, particularly at a moment of the Scotch independence drive", he said. "I'm trying to imagine what it would look like: a re-enactment of British ships threatening to bombard the Wall Street area" But nothing actually happened, not a shot fired, except for Peter Stuyvesant's temper tantrum. Not sparky stuff.

"Lowering a Dutch flag somewhere and raising a British one instead Doesn't set the pulse a-pounding".

Nor, apparently, did the anniversary inspire much celebration in the past.

In 1914, New York City chose not to commemorate its 250th birthday, instead honoring the 300th anniversary of the chartering of the New Netherlands Company. In 1964, fewer than 300 people showed up at Bowling Green for a party put on by the Mayor's Committee for the 300th Anniversary of the Founding of the City of New York. The mayor, Robert F. Wagner Jr., was not among them; however, a George Washington look-alike was.
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This year, the typically undemonstrative British have no plans to honor the occasion, perhaps mindful that in 1673 they proved no better at defending Manhattan when the Dutch attacked and that a little over a century later they were kicked out of the country altogether.

The events that led to the Dutch surrender essentially began on March 22, 1664, when King Charles II gifted the territory between the Delaware and Connecticut Rivers, in return for four beaver pelts a year, to his younger brother James, Duke of York, a rival of the Dutch West India Company in the slave trade. (Then, without telling James, the king gave away what would become New Jersey to two confederates.)

By July, New Amsterdam's 1,500 inhabitants had been roiled by fears of a surprise, unprovoked invasion. Seeking to inherit an intact town, a 23-point Articles of Capitulation drawn up by a British colonel, Richard Nicolls, offered the Dutch guarantees of religious and other freedoms, provisions that would preserve their customs and contracts, and a pledge that "all public Houses shall continue for the uses, which now they are for", referring to bars.

Stuyvesant, New Amsterdam's director-general, shredded the offer. The city fathers pieced it back together and, along with Stuyvesant's teenage son, importuned him to accept the terms begrudgingly. The Dutch believed the transfer was only temporary, though. They recaptured the city in 1673, but relinquished it after about a year more or less in exchange for sugar-rich Suriname.

Steven H. Jaffe wrote in "New York at War": "Outgunned, weary of the West India Company's indifference to their fate, valuing their lives and property above loyalty to a distant homeland, and already acquainted with English ways through contact with their neighbors, New Amsterdam's people would make an easy choice."

Dennis J. Maika, a scholar at the New Netherland Institute in Albany, said the move was fortunate. "Members of Manhattan's merchant community turned a potential disaster into a guarantee of commercial and political security", he said", and may have ensured a brighter future than what they might have envisioned under Dutch West India Company jurisdiction".

The Dutch soldiers departed for Holland on the Gideon, a ship that had just delivered 290 more hungry slaves for the beleaguered settlement to feed.

While Colonel Nicolls was popular for his pragmatic peace terms (an avenue barely five blocks long was later named for him in Cypress Hills, Brooklyn), Washington Irving wrote in his satirical history of New York that the Dutch so disliked the British nation "that in a private meeting of the leading citizens it was unanimously determined never to ask any of their conquerors to dinner."

The impact of the transfer of power after four decades of Dutch rule is still debated.

"The names, the court system and the language changed, but the tolerance, aspirational spirit, geography and diversity remained the same", said Kenneth T. Jackson, a Columbia University historian and the editor of "The Encyclopedia of New York City."
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Professor Wallace described the shift as "hugely significant", because "it moved New Amsterdam out of the declining Dutch empire, in which it was a decided backwater, into the rising British Empire, in which it became a very important provincial port."

Russell Shorto, the author of "The Island at the Center of the World," agreed.

"The Dutch brought their pragmatic tolerance and their aggressive free-trading sensibility", Mr. Shorto said. "Those two forces got fused into the bedrock of Manhattan Island. When the English took over, they saw that the island was functioning like no other place in North America. So they kept things more or less intact."

"By the time of the great waves of immigration in the 19th century, newcomers arriving in Manhattan saw a teeming mix of people all getting ahead by what we would call upward mobility", he added. "They decided it was America. It wasn't America: It was New York. And it was New York because it had been New Amsterdam. But as they slowly migrated farther west, all the way to the Pacific, they brought some of that sensibility with them. And so they made it part of America."

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